DUST Search - KDR Why does it matter?

Lurchasaurus wrote:

PDIGGY22 wrote:

Stupid Drunk1 wrote:

Primary Vehicle Players have higher KDRs, then infantry. Everyone in a match cannot be a vehicle. So does that make vehicles due to their KDRs more usefull then any infantry?

The vehicle user with 10.7 KDR to 25.43 KDR better then the user with 3 KDR who has not equiped or deployed a vehicle?

Is a swarm/fogre gun user that prevent vehicles useless because he had more deaths then kills, then the infantry with rifle or the tank with cannons, or the dropship with missile gunners?

Whilst tracking numbers of players killed and lives lost is usefull for forum posturing and self-congratulation, it has little bearing on 0.0 warfare where what matters more is the ability to take and control SOV territory, harass hostile industrial and economic operations, and to break the morale of enemy mercs.

Its not about dying for your country, its all about making them die for theirs. So I dont prescibe to KDR logic other then if you are dead, you are not taking ground, if your dead every spawn, then you did nothing, and stroked some elites eppeen for killing you 45 times in a row.

All MAG vets remember the ``no body got a reaper, no body`` remark in clan wars.

Here is a very old clan battle video of Murder Service vs GUN(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNrFScqQ5sw) two respected clans, its revealing their reaction at the end of the match. It shows just how inflated KDRs are from randoms.

What does KDR mean to you? What does it take to win?

KDR is less relevant in this game then any other shooter in the world from a skill perspective, as you can be a good player but have such an under level character causing you to die a lot, mix that with terrible hit detection and frame rate lag it's quite irrelevant. Now kdr does have a huge impact financially on you though, which is the exact reason why vehicles need to be nerfed, they are the main cause of death against infantry players. The solution should be to make it where if you lose a tank, it takes 4+ games to earn the money back to buy another one.

Players who play with a high kdr around 10 or so, arent playing aggressively which is fine, but when you "have" to win, in a corp match and what not, those players will be so use to playing not to die that they wont be able to keep up with there pub room kdrs, if you cant duplicate it in a clan match it's not your true kdr imho

pdiggy go away, you lost your right to cokmplain about vehicles...ive got you in quotes saying how you refuse to spawn AV and ***** cause you still die to tanks


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Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.07.29 00:52:00 - [1] - Quote Primary Vehicle Players have higher KDRs, then infantry. Everyone in a match cannot be a vehicle. So does that make vehicles due to their KDRs more usefull then any infantry? The vehicle user with 10.7 KDR to 25.43 KDR better then the user with 3 KDR who has not equiped or deployed a vehicle? Is a swarm/fogre gun user that prevent vehicles useless because he had more deaths then kills, then the infantry with rifle or the tank with cannons, or the dropship with missile gunners? Whilst tracking numbers of players killed and lives lost is usefull for forum posturing and self-congratulation, it has little bearing on 0.0 warfare where what matters more is the ability to take and control SOV territory, harass hostile industrial and economic operations, and to break the morale of enemy mercs. Its not about dying for your country, its all about making them die for theirs. So I dont prescibe to KDR logic other then if you are dead, you are not taking ground, if your dead every spawn, then you did nothing, and stroked some elites eppeen for killing you 45 times in a row. All MAG vets remember the ``no body got a reaper, no body`` remark in clan wars. Here is a very old clan battle video of Murder Service vs GUN(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNrFScqQ5sw) two respected clans, its revealing their reaction at the end of the match. It shows just how inflated KDRs are from randoms. What does KDR mean to you? What does it take to win?
Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.07.29 02:04:00 - [2] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Where's Phantom da gawd? secondly you took videos from two "tryhard" "remake" clans that came after all the good players stopped playing. Every clan battle 3C played in or LoL played people definitely got grims. (they also all ended in major victories at that) Here is battle JumpMan, ~^~ vs. 3C , you participated where zero grims were won by no one in the match, by either elite clans in that moment in that match you liar!!!! [3C] Ecky18 was the highest killer with 32 kills 16 deaths, followed by MUDMASTEI2_23 32 kills 21 deaths, should I continue
Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.07.29 02:35:00 - [3] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: PDIGGY22 wrote: Stupid Drunk1 wrote: Primary Vehicle Players have higher KDRs, then infantry. Everyone in a match cannot be a vehicle. So does that make vehicles due to their KDRs more usefull then any infantry? The vehicle user with 10.7 KDR to 25.43 KDR better then the user with 3 KDR who has not equiped or deployed a vehicle? Is a swarm/fogre gun user that prevent vehicles useless because he had more deaths then kills, then the infantry with rifle or the tank with cannons, or the dropship with missile gunners? Whilst tracking numbers of players killed and lives lost is usefull for forum posturing and self-congratulation, it has little bearing on 0.0 warfare where what matters more is the ability to take and control SOV territory, harass hostile industrial and economic operations, and to break the morale of enemy mercs. Its not about dying for your country, its all about making them die for theirs. So I dont prescibe to KDR logic other then if you are dead, you are not taking ground, if your dead every spawn, then you did nothing, and stroked some elites eppeen for killing you 45 times in a row. All MAG vets remember the ``no body got a reaper, no body`` remark in clan wars. Here is a very old clan battle video of Murder Service vs GUN(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNrFScqQ5sw) two respected clans, its revealing their reaction at the end of the match. It shows just how inflated KDRs are from randoms. What does KDR mean to you? What does it take to win? KDR is less relevant in this game then any other shooter in the world from a skill perspective, as you can be a good player but have such an under level character causing you to die a lot, mix that with terrible hit detection and frame rate lag it's quite irrelevant. Now kdr does have a huge impact financially on you though, which is the exact reason why vehicles need to be nerfed, they are the main cause of death against infantry players. The solution should be to make it where if you lose a tank, it takes 4+ games to earn the money back to buy another one. Players who play with a high kdr around 10 or so, arent playing aggressively which is fine, but when you "have" to win, in a corp match and what not, those players will be so use to playing not to die that they wont be able to keep up with there pub room kdrs, if you cant duplicate it in a clan match it's not your true kdr imho pdiggy go away, you lost your right to cokmplain about vehicles...ive got you in quotes saying how you refuse to spawn AV and ***** cause you still die to tanks Does not make his post irrelevant which I thought was adding the Original Discussion, all solutions are up for debate, CCP will decide how to act, this thread is about an interpretation he cleary provided. PdaddyDIg is not a pushover lolz, you will not want to meet him inside a building aware, I assure you without accurate and precise teamate with mic, or skills all at lv 5 for all the ones you want/need. If you are good but with low skills you are hardpressed to make a dent.
Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.07.29 02:47:00 - [4] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Stupid Drunk1 wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: Where's Phantom da gawd? secondly you took videos from two "tryhard" "remake" clans that came after all the good players stopped playing. Every clan battle 3C played in or LoL played people definitely got grims. (they also all ended in major victories at that) Here is battle JumpMan, ~^~ vs. 3C , you participated where zero grims were won by no one in the match, by either elite clans in that moment in that match you liar!!!! [3C] Ecky18 was the highest killer with 32 kills 16 deaths, followed by MUDMASTEI2_23 32 kills 21 deaths, should I continue Still doesn't change the fact that they were major victories. Everybody knows TDF gave up halfway through both matches. They couldn't match 3C Kill for Kill. The example of TDF is what happens when you let a bunch of "good guys" not the best players but nonetheless "good guys" into a clan, and proceed to play against The best players in a game. It becomes a stone wall. Look up LoL vs T-C interdiction and then tell me KDR doesn't matter. But it does change the fact Quote: Every clan battle 3C played in or LoL played people definitely got grims & if you cant duplicate it in a clan match it's not your true kdr imho as PDiggy wrote I agree with and state also Protoman.
Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.07.29 03:00:00 - [5] - Quote PDiggy, when corps battle eventually come, you better have a man that spent 10 hours a week just to kill tanks, putting total over 40+ hours. Untill we have corp battles I cannot disagree or agree with you, and even then, I will have to see how collectives use vehicles to further judge. still yea, I have nothing for tanks, no av grenades, nadda, so unless its a militia vehicle I run away, unless multiple people have it enegaged. I dont die from them a lot because I often run away, and stop helping the team till im safe, all the good I could be agaisnt a segeeris is a distraction for anti vehilcle huntrs.
Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.07.29 03:11:00 - [6] - Quote garbage tanks do exist but so do garbage dropsuits, and garbage weapons, my proto AR is garbage agaisnt anything higher then militia, ammo wise.
Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.07.29 03:22:00 - [7] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Stupid Drunk1 wrote: garbage tanks do exist but so do garbage dropsuits, and garbage weapons, my proto AR is garbage agaisnt anything higher then militia, ammo wise. True, but the scenario was that a militia AV is as useful against a prototank as a militia tank is versus a protosuit, more often then not (unless you ambush him and he is distracted or you get just plain lucky) it will end in failure. I was adding to your point, all of the above is true, garbage tanks weapons suits, etc, noted I was not disagreeing or agreeing till collectives use the skill system, and market for resources required.
Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.07.29 03:31:00 - [8] - Quote The OP was about the KDR of anyone negative or positive, and as other stated have very high KDR ratios, their usefullness, and where do high KDR come from in dust 514. Does any of it matter? What does matter? Does KDR serve a purpose? are there diffrent type way people ern their KDR? Primary Vehicle users do not have comparable deaths to infantry, as with real life tanks are immune to sall arms fire. Im in the camp that doesnt know if they should be outraged/angry or in bliss/happy, about vehicle users very high KDRs. For one I dont care about the solution. This is about the nature of high KDR in a match. To negative KDR. To positive KDRs. Can a negative KDR be more usefull then positive, visa versa, and why?
Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.07.29 05:49:00 - [9] - Quote ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Words of Wisdom
Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.08.11 22:26:00 - [10] - Quote Tanks KDR are better then elite infantry thus tanks are op, because elite infantry are butt hurt over the higher KDR, SP, ISK. When these same tanks drivers exist in 0.0, their KDRs, Sp, ISK will plunge, unless they remain in high sec....